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Post by lancemcknight on Feb 12, 2011 0:06:34 GMT
Poll has been discontinued.
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Post by Sargon III on Feb 13, 2011 3:01:44 GMT
Sorry for my absence on last few weeks. I am not sure if we are allowed to comment in this thread. First of all this is a forum header banner, that means everyone visits this form will see it and in all pages, I mean by everyone not us but other visitors, so that it it should be nice, clean and related. I made a quick look at all projects and found some notes and like to put them here:
Please do not get offended, it is not necessarily what I am seeing is true.
Briamoth: the design is ok but if you watch carefully at the background you will see black dots between the gray and black "not sure if you meant it like that", the edges of the red brush are very jaggy and the PDN logo borders needs some work.
Lance: the design is nice but colors are dull, and each corner of the border is different than the other, I know you meant glassy effect, but still.
Helen: the design is very nice, I think the end of the brush need a shadow on the "N" to eliminate the confusion of the depth.
Barbieq25: nice but the top "Black" PDN FANS text need some improvement on the perspective.
heat stroke: really nice, but it looks empty, may be the text is too small or the gap between the to words is big.? Not sure
Sidneys1 : excellent design, you just need to cut out the extras of the top corners "easy to fix those"
blackpenny: nice, I am sure about the red outline of fans, and the border needs to be improved.
Goonfella: very nice design, you just need to cut out the extra of top/right corner, and improve the rounded corners of the white frame.
Maniac Manc: nice, but the text is a little bulky, what you think?
Sargon III: I wish if the other version was running, I don't like this.
Pixey: not bad, I think without the black background it will look much nicer "a transparent PNG version"..!
PeterPawn: very nice design, some jaggis on the white text, the edges of the red button (I am not sure if it is a button) are rough and its blur effect is cutout from top and the highlight of it is worst, just can't believe it is your work.
Again I am so sorry, to point out these things, I think I won't vote this round.
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Post by PeterPawn on Feb 13, 2011 6:42:49 GMT
So Sargon, all these images are crap because they don't measure up to your standards? Now what?
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Post by barbieq25 on Feb 13, 2011 8:15:34 GMT
Now that Sargon has pointed these things out I can see them too. Some are easy fixes some probably not.
PP, I think it is a valid critique of the works presented here, although it does come across as a bit of a slam which I think is due to language differences than any ill-feeling from Sargon towards us or our works.
Personally, I am at a loss to see what is wrong with my perspective other than I know that it looked off to me. I really have a problem seeing perspective things. So Sargon, if you have time could you show me exactly where I went wrong. It would help others too, I'm sure.
It would be good if the 3 winners of this round could fix what Sargon mentioned before the final cut, so to speak.
I rarely ever reveal my vote but I will tell you this time that my vote went to the last 3 listed. PP please don't be angry. We are all learning still & this I feel will help us to improve.
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Post by Sargon III on Feb 13, 2011 9:47:15 GMT
I thought we are the most experienced group in PDN, and accept critiques with big heart, and I mentioned in my post, it doesn't need to be true the things that I am seeing. @ PeterPawn, no mate who said they are crap? I didn't put down any one of them, and those are just some minor things needs to be fixed, or should we just leave them like that? @ Barbie, thanks for understanding, I see you are in the teaching stage now ( and most of you here), not in the learning, your work quality is in its high levels now, but you also are right, we all still and will stay learning from each other. For Barbie, about the perspective of her project.
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Post by TheBad1 on Feb 13, 2011 10:59:19 GMT
I don't think Sargon should be jumped on ... in fact the opposite, his honesty should be commended.
It's what he sees and probably what others will see
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Post by Goonfella on Feb 13, 2011 11:02:52 GMT
Just looked for the file and somehow I`ve managed to delete it! I did have a clearout of old stuff recently , I must have got rid of the banner file as well. Damn.
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Post by barbieq25 on Feb 13, 2011 12:27:01 GMT
Goonie, that is terrible! Makes you feel sick eh? Any backups anywhere?
Agree, Welshy.
Sargon, thanks so much for showing me. This is where I put my hand out, palm to me & bring it sharply to my forehead! The perspective lines! Hubby has given up on trying to teach me that & my uni lecturer didn't give a hoot.
Ok, so in this I have learnt a lot. If you're going to mix fonts you have to take great care that they line up. This I should have remembered from the signwriting. Hubby used to do that be we often discussed the designs he was working on & we also looked at others that got it wrong.
One of the reasons I messed this up is because I did not write down the settings & went back & added the fans bit after closing PDN.
This is the kind of critique that I love the best - show me where I can improve. PP took me under his wing & helped me make great gold & then helped me more with the shadows/highlights on the gems.
I am pleased you took the time to show me.
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Post by Manc on Feb 13, 2011 13:41:25 GMT
Cheers Sargon. I have to agree,the text is too bulky. However,like goonie I didn't save the file,I rarely do. I've decided to make a new folder and save all my pdn files in it, I'm rarely 100% happy with what I do and ideas seem to come to me after I've posted something and not saved it.
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Post by lancemcknight on Feb 13, 2011 13:42:20 GMT
Sod it all.
This competition has been nothing but a headache for this forum.
Sargon, my question to you is this: why did you wait till now to critique the piece? The reason why I chose your 2nd banner over the first one was I saw how a lot of people commented on it in your gallery, and I also felt the 1st one was ugly with an ugly background.
This is probably why a lot of people quit being an admin because they have to play the referee to mediate conflicts. Ugh...
As I have said in the Design Thread, I take full responsibility for not thinking things through about the competition requirements and terms of limit, and once again, I take full responsibility.
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Post by Sidneys1 on Feb 13, 2011 14:51:13 GMT
Sidneys1 : excellent design, you just need to cut out the extras of the top corners "easy to fix those" Not sure what you mean by "extras" on the top corners.. Could you explain a bit more? I'm ready to take constructive crit, but it does look like some people need to take some chill pills... I don't want this community to be torn apart. I've been with it since 2007 (longer than all of you, I think), and I've seen us do some amazing things. Let's keep up our name as one of the most elite, and friendly, PDN groups out there, k? Have a nice day, ~Sidneys1
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Post by Helen on Feb 13, 2011 16:09:48 GMT
I also commend Sargon's critiques, but I think that we should leave the choice to adjust the banners to the creators if they want.
I thought this competition was fun, so let's leave it at that. We have three banners to choose from.
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Post by Leif on Feb 13, 2011 16:16:36 GMT
#1 NO need to start an unpleasant argument over this. #2 Criticism is always valuable if it can help people to improve. #3 IF wee chose a new banner for the forum i doesn't have to be that one forever. Have the banner competition be an reaccruing event. And allow people to submit there old banners as well.
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Post by blackpenny on Feb 13, 2011 16:39:44 GMT
Sargon, I appreciate your comments. How else am I going to learn if someone doesn't tell me where my work can be improved? I wouldn't count myself among the most experienced, but I've learned a lot from this group.
I wasn't entirely happy with my entry, and I agree about the border. I could have spent more time on it, but I rushed it this time. But I went back to my pdn file and made some changes and I like it a lot better.
I like Leif's suggestion to have more banner competitions later. Having the same one forever, no matter how good it is, can get boring after a while.
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Post by Pixey on Feb 13, 2011 16:41:41 GMT
I totally missed this poll - so didn't vote Never mind, as far as I can see most people liked those three, the ones that got 6 votes each. That's democracy at work.
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Post by barbieq25 on Feb 13, 2011 21:39:17 GMT
Sidneys1 : excellent design, you just need to cut out the extras of the top corners "easy to fix those" Not sure what you mean by "extras" on the top corners.. Could you explain a bit more? I'm ready to take constructive crit, but it does look like some people need to take some chill pills... I don't want this community to be torn apart. I've been with it since 2007 (longer than all of you, I think), and I've seen us do some amazing things. Let's keep up our name as one of the most elite, and friendly, PDN groups out there, k? Have a nice day, ~Sidneys1 Sidneys, where the corners were rounded there seemed to be like a greyish rectangle at the top. Not explaining this too well am I? The bottom rounded corners were perfectly cut out & totally transparent but in the top part there seemed to be parts of the rectangle still there. I think one of the others had the same. Possibly due to missing cutting out that section on all of the layers. One thing Oma stressed all the time was never to rush an image but I know we can be guilty of this at times - me included. People - what is happening here?! Sargon made some valid points to HELP US IMPROVE. Mediate & referee is what I spend a lot of time doing in my jobs & family life. It is never easy, Lance. Personally, I don't want to post images & have everyone say how wonderful they are when there is something not quite right. I value Sargon's critique because aside from him being correct in his evaluation, I learnt how to fix it. In most cases, he did that & if you ask, he will help you as time permits. Yes Lance, it has been a bit problematic but it has also been a valuable lesson for artists & admin alike. A bloody great start to Monday, I must say. Option 1: The poll continues & artists fix the problem areas (if they still have the file). Another lesson - Always keep as many layers intact/separate as possible, keep a PDN file as well as the PNG. Option 2: We all start again. Sidney's - excellent idea with the chill pills. Now that we have had our little dummy spits can we get back to designing a banner?
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Post by Sargon III on Feb 13, 2011 22:39:30 GMT
Thanks everybody, and thanks barbie for explaining that. As an example, Sidneys1 he is still not seeing those corners, but barbie did.! Check the images on different background colors on your browser, in your case dark gray. Lance, who started the fire can turn it off, too, and I don't have anything against anyone here even though, I think we all still friends. and you are right, it wasn't good timing when I made my post.
May be my brain is thick, but I still can't understand, why all this? And I didn't use any bad word in my post.
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Post by Sidneys1 on Feb 13, 2011 23:11:46 GMT
Thanks for the clarification Barbie and Sargon! I use the white theme on the forum so I couldn't see that. Will fix asap.
Have a nice day, ~Sidneys1
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Post by chrisco97 on Feb 14, 2011 3:33:23 GMT
I think this is really getting out of hand. Sargon was giving critique to the banners, not putting them down or calling them "crap." I think this is crazy. We are all friends, and we are here to make other artists better, not start stupid arguments like this competition has caused.
I think we need to get over it and move on.
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Post by PeterPawn on Feb 14, 2011 4:09:12 GMT
I'm sorry folks, what Sargon did was totally inappropriate. When you enter a contest you don't criticise/critique the entries of the other contestants.
There was some good encouragement going on, for example....... Barbie said... "WOW! Just look at all the great works here." HeatStroke... "Tough comp (all the great entries)..." Welshblue... "woah it's going to be difficult choosing." Manic Manc... "Really good images everybody." Even Sargon said... "It will be very hard to decide, all are very nice..." and then Sargon did a complete turnabout.
If you had built a race car and entered a cross country race, how do you think the other drivers would respond to you if you started telling them how you would've built their car?
Like I said.... When you enter a contest you don't criticise/critique the entries of the other contestants and tell them how you would've done it. A contest is not the proper venue for constructive criticism by the other contestants. That's what the rest of the forum is for. 'Nuff said.
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Post by Helen on Feb 14, 2011 14:12:23 GMT
Well, Peter, I must say you are one of the three with the most votes...let the votes do the talking.
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Post by Leif on Feb 14, 2011 18:46:16 GMT
I think we need to get over it and move on. Seconded.
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